I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. - Lowell George. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. The group on the right of the pic below is much better than those numbers indicate. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. It is just too loud for me and there are to many better choices. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. Ramshot Enforcer. CFE BLK is a spherical (ball) powder. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. I will say that it has all the qualities inherent to 1680 that drove me to work hard to find a substitute. Its a very dense powder. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. I use it for my magnum handgun loads so when I saw it gave good results in 300BO I started using it in that caliber too. hardcast loaded to 2.250". Not quite 1680 loud, but considering the amount of snow on the ground to absorb the noise it was slightly obnoxious. JavaScript is disabled. I say try all of them and see which ones work best. I use W296 only for supers. Please accept my apologies for not reading your entire post.Im just some nobody online so dont get bothered by me. Very accurate. It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. How can this be? My best groups with supers was with 150 gr Hornady interlocks over W296 with CCI 450 primers. It is only fifty yards, I am quite sure at 100 I would measure it in feet. Work up. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. AVG 1050 I've even managed to get Alliant 2400 powder to work with lighter bullets. That makes CFE BLK ideal for small cartridges such as the .17 Hornet and .221 Fireball. It's interesting that Hodgdon shows 20g is max load, but Hornady shows 20.2g. Heres some data from today out of my buddys AR 300 Blk 16 barrel. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). Brass looks fine. Also good to use with Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357, .41, .44, .454 Casull and .500 S&W magnum cartridges. More shooting will sort that out. All in all for first impressions, I would say disappointment is the word best describing the experience. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. Zeroed it at 50. "Still flying like gypsies, just a little closer to the ground" Trace Adkins. 8.6 BLK H110 vs CFE BLK I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. Barrel time. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. CFE BLK Meters Well and Burns Clean For me this powder was very expensive fertilizer until I started getting the bullet down into the powder. But note, seating depth can make a significant difference in pressures. In this article [] March 27, 2020 Gavin Reloading Blog 300 BLK, 300 BLK Subsonic, 330 AAC Blackout, 45 ACP, 9mm parabellum, AR-10, AR-15, Berry's 220 grain 300 Blackout Spire Point, Berry's Manufacturing, Berry's . 8 barrel The fun news is that with this setup I was able to have full function shooting Hornady 150 fmj #3037 bullets when suppressed. First round had a fairly large flash, next two were just a few sparks, noise was moderate. Here's a simple task you can do that will give your seater die a more perfect fit to your match bullets. Rem 7 1/2 primer There was one odd round that had a very low velocity. Not being argumentative, just curious. I dont have any h110 right now. I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. Enter your cartridge and bullet weight, and the site will list Min and Max loads. Hodgdon shows a similar max charge of H110 (20.0) as Barnes, with similar velocity. 9.0, 10.0 grains Hodgdon H-110 powder (See chronograph data below) 2.230 COL (2.260 is max for AR-15) Use load data at your own risk. 1049 But give it a try and let us know how it works. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. 208 Hornady Amax 16 SD, Original load, Hodgdon data. Just received some info back from Callahan Mciver at Hodgdon Powder. I have all four and find each has it's strengths with different weight and style bullets. Nope, I don't load 300 BO at all. NRA Life Member, but the GOA is who I support. No chronograph readings, I was shooting at night at very short distance. I would look into SBR Socom. One new winner* is announced every week! Have a supply of CFE BLK just in, and while it looks to be a little slow for the standard Hornet, it may work very well in the K-Hornet, especially with 45-50 grain bullets--which may or may not be worth it. Share the post "New Hodgdon CFE BLK Powder Great for Small Cartridges", Tags: .221 Fireball, AR, AR16, Ball Powder, CFE 223, CFE BLK, Copper Fouling Eraser, Data Center, Hodgdon, Reduced Fouling. 21.90, 21.94 Im guessing the tac-tx Ive got will do the same thing. I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. Much of the effectiveness of that round relies upon its 3,000 feet per second . Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. (Call for this load data) CFE BLK did have exceptional accuracy though worth the 110 Vmax. I use AA1680 or CFE BLk for subs. I reload 357 and 44 mag so therefore I have a good supply of H-110. Bull-X now has a 300 grain flat-nosed bullet available for the I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and . Blackout wasn't even functional, I didn't get a single cycle over 15 test . So yes..your starting load will be the bullet seating on top of powder. (At least that would be my guess, if the data is accurate). Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. Winchester 296 . PwrPro 300-MP H110 296 H4227 IMR - 4227 AR - 2205 A - 5744 A - 1680 680 N - 120 H4198 IMR - 4198 200 AR - 2207 2000 A - 2200 LT-32 REL - 7 AR - BMk1 H - 322 A - 2015 AR - 2219 Benchmark IMR - 3031 A - 2230 X-Terminator REL-10x 201 AR - BMk2 3000 N - 130 A - 2460 Sp10 BLC (2) 748 N - 133 I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. From my research, it seems to be best when nearly filling case, but not compressed, and I get nearly no unburned powder if I use CCI 450 Magnum primers. 892 fps. I bought 2 pounds of this powder since it was all I could find. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; It's suppose to be a good powder between Lil Gun, win296/H110 and A1680, SWB, CFE BLK. By 150 grains they are neck and neck. I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. I have used Win 296 (same as H110) with good results in subsonic 300 Blk using Sierra 220gr and Hornady 208gr Amax shot out of a 8.5" SBR with a can. LC converted 1.350. Did I forget to mention that gas proof goggles might not be a bad idea when shooting this powder? From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. Look at thread number 8---- 38.0 grs. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. Shooters World BLACKOUT. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. 21.88, 22.08 11grn 2.040 COL. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. hardcast loaded to 2.250". This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. If they are growing, you have too much compression. 848 fps Surprisingly they list Lil'Gun as their preferred powder and not H110 or W296. NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. 44 Hodgdon CFE Pistol 94 IMR Co IMR 4166 144 Accurate Arms 8700 45 Ramshot Silhouette 95 IMR Co IMR 4064 145 Vihta Vuori 24N41 46 VihtaVuori 3N37 96 Norma 202 146 Hodgdon 50BMG Can you provide data for reloads using the CFE BLK. bullets all come in, again, at shorter COAL than Barnes (1.970 and 1.845, respectively, vs. Barnes' 2.250). For subs, I run Lil Gun with berry's 220 gr in my 8" at 1050 FPS. It is going to be in the neighborhood of HS-6, which is too fast for your gun. Wolf Small Rifle Magnum primers. It's good for target or mid-range loads in magnums but it's faster burning than AA9, 2400, or H110/WW296, 4227 or Lil'gun. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I got like 5lbs of it for around $10-12/lb and its worked great for 125-150gr supers. When 350 Legend debuted, Winchester claimed it was the fastest straight wall cartridge ever released. Considering the low velocity this is encouraging. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. If Ive missed anything or something you think I should try ask and Ill see what I can come up with as a test. The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. After reading the threads posted I felt more comfortable compressing the load to the 2.050 COL. The 7.6239 is a bottleneck rimless case meant to be used at intermediate combat ranges (less than 500 yards). I've used H110, 4227, Lil' Gun, CFE, Blackout, Trail Boss, and A1680. One new winner* is announced every week! I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. So, based on my tests, I now use Lil'Gun excluzively in my .357mag levergun loads. I've used a ton of H110 for .357mag for both pistol and levergun cartridges and 30 carbine in my 2 M1 Carbines in the 15 years. With it, I was getting my 158grn .357 Mag loads up to 1,789fps from my 20" Rossi carbine and 1,822fps from my 24" rifle as well as 1,960fps with my 110grn 30 Carbine loads in my M1 Carbines. And Sierra's three 110 gr. For lightweight supers the density is too high and yeah you'll be compressing even at starting load. Hodgdon CFE BLK. I've only used LilGun. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16 carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. (And from what some say, can possibly go faster). -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. I wanted to see how light of a bullet that could be cycled, I run an 18 1/10 twist carbine gassed rifle, port size is .110 with a M16 Lmt enhanced BCG and a JP heavy/tungsten captured spring using the heaviest spring. Using H110 and Barnes Tac-TX 110gr for a supersonic load leaves me with enough confidence for whitetail at a reasonable distance, and it isn't too much . And I can attest to the fact it does a number on rock chucks. Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. If you're unsure, or just want options, check as many boxes as you'd like. Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. Hodgdon Tite Group. The same case holds 26.3 grains of CFE BLk. Here is a target at fifty yards. ES in the hundreds. We use it for everything from the 110's to 160+ grain bullets in our 10.5" barrels. Hodgdon H4198. Im not going to hunt deer with it. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. Hodgdon H110 $38.99 - $291.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE 223 $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H335 $39.99 - $294.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H4831SC $54.99 - $345.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE Pistol $36.99 - $262.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon Longshot $36.99 - $277.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE BLK $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon RETUMBO $54.99 - $391.99 Hodgdon The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); 801 fps For more information, please see our It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. It is somewhat encouraging tho. I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. No amount of coating will keep 55,000 psi from cutting a soft bullet. It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Although I had lock back on empty, I had possibly the highest ES/SD numbers in recorded history. The S.A.A.M.I. No where did they have any VV powder and I wasn't going to drive around anymore than I already did. Rem 7 1/2 I seated the 150 fmjs at the cannelure. Hodgdon says the starting load of cfe blk for that Hyd 110 vmax is 22.5C The 'C' after a load means 'compressed'. I put .025 compression on the powder. Should look something like this data: S Slowbolt Registered Joined Mar 26, 2022 8 Posts The second test was with CFE BLK loaded to 34.0 grs. and it gave 1,225 fps at 39,700 psi and a ES of 16 fps. Both of those work very well. I am feeling a little better about the powder and will try to run a couple more loads this weekend. All Rights Reserved. Nonetheless if your ultimate goal is a higher velocity supersonic round I will concur that H110 or W269 is the preferred powder. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. In a carbine gas I think it has some real potential. Thats a big benefit for varmint shooters, who may put hundreds of rounds through a barrel in a single day on the varmint fields. Mar 13, 2019. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. I did not take a picture of trigger group, it was actually still very clean. In addition, Hodgdon reports that CFE BLK performs superbly in many smaller-capacity cartridges, in particular varmint cartridges such as the .17 Hornet, .17 Ackley Hornet, .218 Bee, .221 Fireball. 220 Hornady RN, 12.1gr CFE BLK, sig brass, cci 450. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. Edited May 29, 2018 by . COSteve, I read your post, and I take it that none of the H110 comparison was with 300BO, correct? Check with leading vendors such as Brunos, Midsouth, and Powder Valley. Hodgdon data only shows IMR4227 loads. 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. by 41Bear Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:44 am, Post A friend suggested maybe the bullet jacket is just crazy thin on this run of V-Max?? 1047 Honestly, I think 4227 and H110/296 to be the ideal powders for that bullet. Add in cast bullets to the mix and you have to start looking at peak pressure matching bullet hardness. H110 is a rock star for 300 BLK. I did not want the 18 to go super( ). This would be for either a 300gr SMK or 350gr Maker. The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - You 300BO reloaderswhy H110? NOTE: Despite the BLK in the name, this is a NOT a black powder substitute. I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. I use CFE BLK (12gr) for 220gr subsonics. This week 11.5 grains at 2.195 had and ES 56, SD 21. I use H110 for supers only. If you want maximum velocity, try Alliant 300MP. Using federal AR match primer. A sub sonic load was louder than I am used to for a bolt action. I shoot 243 for coyotes and shoot 58gr to 100 gr bullets. While testing was limited, during the same range session I tried ladder loads with all 3 powders with the same brass, bullets and primers. Using it in a 16 carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system to throw high spreads you! 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