Sorry, I don’t keep up with all the lame Sonic fan politics. Keeping this cookie enabled helps us to improve our website. Incredible interpretation… O.O *plays “With me” in the background*. And in this, Black Knight gives us the greatest moral of all. The canon stopped being canon post that game, As far as I'm concerned Sonic Colors onwards is separate from Sonic Adventure to Sonic and the Black Knight. “The gameplay is the things I have a problem with as a long time fan of the series.” And I shall quote Svend saying that “Marine is admirable” as one of the best things I’ve ever heard. THE SERIES ISNT WHAT IT USED TO BE. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I was sorta thinking the same way after playing SATBK. If that site was analysing the story, they wouldn’t once mention the gameplay. March 28th, 2009 at 12:53 pm So you guys are just content with Sonic’s mere image or something? ^_^ And if he’s trolling, he’s doing a cruddy job of it anyway. Sonic the Hedgehog/ Sir Sonic/ The True King Arthur/ Excalibur Sonic (all forms playable in Multiplayer exepct The True King Arthur) 2. Though, bravo Dread, keep it up. Aren’t these guys supposed to be professional developers? This is the same difference. but you must too accept that something else is important too John588, I must say what you just said is extremely…wow. If only there was no werehog, then the gameplay would be pretty much perfect. ^-^. I think pretty deep into storylines, but I would’ve NEVER looked at it that way. This article is simply saying that there’s something positive in Sonic and the Black Knight. Copyright © The Sonic Stadium 2000-2021. And the choice of the word ‘crony’ is a bit interesting, ne? Unfortunately, you then started criticising our own comments, instead of trying to see things from another person’s view. No Links to Full Episodes of TV Shows / Comic Book Scans / other types of media. /r/SonicTheHedgehog is still awaiting the promised CSS support for new.reddit.com. So you guys are just content with Sonic’s mere image or something? Ruan Drummond should come back and be Sonic and the next game of Sonic the Hedgehog should not have a gimmick and people who bitch about review SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP. Very well written article, kudos! (Also, he didn’t say that the sword was the -only- reason that the old fans discounted a game. If he wants to argue this somemore, he can start a topic at a message board AWAY from this site, because we don’t want to hear it any longer. The Main Canon is used to describe the canon that happens within the main series Sonic the Hedgehog video games. To the addition of Eggman123, the broken sword might be a broken concept, but the it still has an edge to it (considering that not every bit of a single concept is horrible). Personally, my favorite part of the Sonic series are the plots. Not like that matters, anyway. Maybe you should follow your own advice if you feel that way and simply ignopre my comments. so john ignore this article and move on and we all will forget this because you ccan only argue about the sense of this article and you dont and thats trolling so jusst stop it, please (=. Summary: Sonic and the Black Knight is a Wii-exclusive adventure. Interesting reading of the plot. When Sonic confronts her, a trade-off reveals that generations before her failed to keep the peace, and without the intervention of the evil King Arthur, things would have fallen apart anyway given rivalries between the Knights. Don’t tell me to ignore an outlet just because you don’t like what I’m saying. But thanks once again to TSS for helping to shed some light on the subject in another enjoyable, well-written article. Different parts of this franchise have differing amounts of plot-involvement, so our spoiler policy is somewhat circumstantial. You can’t. Don’t read it – there are other Blog posts and Articles on The Sonic Stadium that happily tear the latest games to shreds, and you can jolly yourself to those all day long if you want. It just instills more junk that I’d rather not be playing. IDW Releasing Classic Sonic Hardcover Graphic Novel This October! You chronies are deciding to argue with me.” Shame, because I like Sonic Heroes. evrything is important even in a sonic game, but as long the gameplay is crap the game is stil crap. Svend. I think anyone who has/will read it has/will stop and think, “Hmm, he does have a point.” Personally, I think every Sonic fan should read this article because it shows in a nutshell the relationship between older and newer Sonic fans and maybe, just maybe, could stop a lot of the arguments and flamewars going on. Sonic and the Black Knight is a 2009 platform game developed by Sonic Team and published by Sega as part of the Sonic the Hedgehog series. JOB THAN WHY CANT SONIC THE HEDGEHOG!!!??? Sonic and the Black Knight is the 2009, Wii-exclusive semi-sequel to Sonic and the Secret Rings, which together comprise the "Sonic Storybook series." I haven’t played a new sonic game since SR:A or SatSR, but I applaud Dread, because, when the fan base is like a dinosaur fight, he chooses to stand in the center, and asks us all to just get along. and one more thing: You are promoting a negligence to the issues with the gampeplay with that article. If anything, its underlying was to laugh harder at the present. *On a personal level, I review Sonic games because I love Sonic the Hedgehog.*. If this is Sega’s message of “change” then that is exactly what they are saying. At least in my point of view! 2010 Games Released: Sonic and SEGA All-Stars Racing My point is that there’s no reason in arguing about how ‘Sonic should be’ in terms of premise, story and design. Or, if I need a game to relax to, I play some Harvest Moon. I kinda doubt that sega meant the moral like that, but is is a nice way of putting it. Cookie information is stored in your browser and performs functions such as recognising you when you return to our website and helping our team to understand which sections of the website you find most interesting and useful. On the back of that success, Sonic Team seem to have taken futher steps, by including easter eggs in Sonic Unleashed in the hidden Dreamcast, and acknowledging the chilidog as Sonic’s official favourite snack. Will do. Get a flashback of the Arthurian legend as you play the Sonic & The Black Knight, created for the Wii platform. and the Jonas Brother fans trying to throw their weight around in a realm that they don’t actually even understand, thinking their input is worthwhile. And how do you what I’m thinking? I’m not saying the Gameplay isn’t important at all. *The dangers that I – along with many older fans – face is the possibility of believing that if we come across a poorly crafted Sonic game, that it means the series is declining into ruin.*. -_-, *As a result, any future Sonic title – regardless of actual objective quality – will be seen with negativity and calls of “Sonic with a Sword? Man, you guys will just complain about anything won’t you? Until they decide to make things here completely totalitarian then expect people to post input that *gasp* isn’t mere butt kissing. If you disable this cookie, we will not be able to save your preferences. But I can sure as hell say I loved reading it. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. [â]unfavorableSnacks 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children), Sonic references secret rings alongside colors in generations so take that with what you will, [â]thatsidewaysdud 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (3 children). Much in the same way Sonic himself was doing in the game. I had these exact thoughts while watching the ending to this game. They’ve even openly admitted to not actually trying to recapture what people liked about the originals, *As an older fan, playing through modern games can be a fun experience but that ultimate loss felt has a near-permanently negative impact – seen in various damning comments made against Sonic Unleashed (an altogether pretty good game, but game quality let it down in various departments). *If any underlying message to fans is to be gleaned from this interpretation, it’s certainly not one of deference, ignorance or “talk to the hand, because we’re going to systematically ruin Sonic”.*. Discord / Amino / other external communities: Non-commercial projects (such as creating a fangame or animation) looking for volunteers may post once looking for interest, and / or once formally looking for volunteers. That your glossing over the gameplay is whats under question. It is canon, taking place after Sonic Unleashed when Sonic was supposed to be on a date with Amy that he promised after saving the world from Eggman and Dark Gaia, but got summoned in a storybook world by a sorceress. It’s even the name of the post if it confuses you (”The Black Knight STORY”). *The danger of the modern fan, who frequently argues with the jaded fan to the point where flamewars escalate, is in becoming overly defensive and denying the success of “Camelot”.*. You should recognise that in you efforts, you completely cast off gameplay as irrelevant to appreciating Sonic games, you generalize that old fans only have a problem with the superficial concepts and unbeknownst to you, you even defended these superficial concepts. I especially doubt that the newbs who liked it even got the message the blog writer claims is supposed to be the point of it. Blatantly proven in the Legacy levels. Wasn’t even talking to any of them originally. I hope plenty of Sonic “fans” look at this and get a bit of a clue. My shout =D. The games have been slated time and time again by game reviewers saying that the games are nothing like the originals and have lost the spirit of the retro Sonic titles. The gameplay was awesome in the first day level, and it reminded me of the Adventure series. *. Its people like you who are ruining games. Now I’m simply a fan). If anything, this article can just fuel more argment. Pretty much every video game franchise has had a game in its series that wasn’t upto scratch as the rest, and none of the fanbo-I mean, “fanbases” complained about their series going to pot. This is in part due to it's unresolved cliffhanger ending, but is more due to a combination of the EA buyout of Bioware (meaning the game can't get a sequel by the same studio) and the Ken Penders lawsuit, wherein he claimed that the … They know some things rather obvious is missing. Maybe once more and more fans read this, especially the classic purists, they’ll soon realize that the fandom really needs to take that kick in the pants. Which you are using as a message to promote a disregard to gameplay. I mean seriously dude. You are the one who engaged me. This is the first time I even bothered to post on the comments because that article was just so flawed. And even if YOU want to, I’ve fully covered myself in agreeing the poor quality of gameplay – in so much that I have called them out on it. A majority of the fanbase became a fan because of this canon. I don’t hate you”. You don’t like it? People are tied to Sonic, and not the other way around. Just as Merlina feels her past generation has failed her, and finds that she must think of her own way of reviving the land, so too must older Sonic fans feel that the old Sonic Team has failed in providing an enjoyable experience. That’s a pretty deep meaning right there, most games don’t have that deep of a story. That includes the games, comics, TV shows, creative fan work, or anything else related to the greater Sonic franchise. I mean REALLY deep. The jaded, older Sonic fan is Merlina, wanting to recreate Sonic in their vision – it might not always be distorted, but it’s a natural reaction given that the comparable loss that the Sonic fan feels is in Sonic 06. And in the middle Sonic Team is offering an extended arm to say “We’re not like the old ways, but we will keep trying to make this kingdom just as enjoyable as the last”. If anything, it’s possible that Next Gen showed us that keeping Sonic confined to the classics was a bad idea, and that the Sonic series needed a serious change in direction. Anything? I presented the same scenario in regards to the site and game you mentioned as a parallel, l just used a reverse message since the gameplay in those games is actually decent. Not saying you guys have done that, but generally a lot of the time when the whole ‘classic fan’ and ‘modern fan’ thing comes up, people react to it very negatively because of the way it is written. Sonic Rush Adventure takes Sonic to a new world – certainly not the ‘Mobius’ many would like to see – but Marine is admirable, Blaze is still as cool as always and the premise for the handheld title remains the best in recent years.*. This is gamesradar-level arsery. As an older fan, playing through modern games can be a fun experience but that ultimate loss felt has a near-permanently negative impact – seen in various damning comments made against Sonic Unleashed (an altogether pretty good game, but game quality let it down in various departments). Videos such as animations / sketches / music covers / discussion (reviews & video essays) / general self-produced videos may be posted normally. They probably shouldn’t have made him so God-damn fluffy, though. Read it properly, understand it, go back to Key Stage 3 English class, come back, read it again, and then you’ll understand a little bit. Because I didn’t. *While the quality of Sonic Heroes is debatable but forgiven due to the successes of the Adventure series, many fans feel that since SA2 it’s been “all downhill from here”.*. Just ignore him guys. “You chill.” *points to name* Okay, rollin’. Do you guys even care about gameplay? I still don’t think it excuses the stupid un-Sonic crap they’ve been shoehorning in the last few games, though (werewolves, angst, etc). As a general rule, if the game/comic/whatever hasn't been released, or was released less than two weeks ago, content that is not part of a promotional campaign should be hidden using one of the following methods: Don't include any such content in link titles. And who knows; that may be the key to making TSS that vessel for the bridge between the fans and the game producers that you’ve been dreaming about! I can do better than that”.*. If you were on any other site you’d….wow. It seems the only thing you’re campaigning for is your own idiocy here. I was sorta thinking the same way after playing SATBK. Yes, the games aren’t too hot gameplay wise, but you could try to lighten up. If you want to disregard it and promote about inconsewquential stuff over gameplay then I suggest you stop talking about the Sonic games on this site all together and just make it a cartoon site. Oh, and John? even with a brocken sword (another gameplay idea what is not about classic) Some real tact there. It is a knight who has no liege-lord or does not want to be identified and so does not bear any heraldic standards. The games are not adult oriented, some fans really do need to take into account that they really aren’t the target audience any more and get the hell over their problem. I assure you this is not the case. But dont forget dudes trolls arent born you become one when you think the hole world is against me and i think this thinks john too. That’s really deep. Many of the people who had worked on Sonic and the Secret Rings also worked on this game. [â]StickBreightley 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children), how are the storybook games connected to unleashed, [â]VelvetSpirit 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (1 child). Sonic is sucked into the world of King Arthur where … Due to our inability to properly examine and moderate the content, and stemming from past incidents, links to other Discord servers are explicitly disallowed. Sonic teaches us all a valuable lesson whether we’re old fan or new. You can write about a particular aspect of a game without calling into the question the rest of it, you know. Believe me, I agree with you. The attempt in injecting something positive is in trying to stop the online fanbase from beating each other up. Just let us have our moment, for this one second. No, I already knew of it , which is why I thought this article was a joke. No Official Sonic ROMs or games (ROMhacks and fan games are OK). For obvious reasons. They might as well just absolve the character and the dev team if that is what they were trying to say with the message of this game. *applauds* When I first saw Black Knight’s cutscenes, I thought the moral was that everything has its end and that we have to live to the fullest. However bad the interpretation of Merlina appears to make the jaded, older fan be though, remember what happens at the very end of the game. Instead, she is comforted in her sadness and accepted as a friend.*. The story isn’t even fanfiction.net worthy. Anything you have left to say in argument is a nonsense, as you’re only going to reply to disturb the members of this website with your misunderstanding. for a change. I don’t play site favorites and if they were saying, “Sure the gameplay was awesome but the storie’s message is blatant political propaganda so they fail and you shouldn’t like them” then I would indeed call them out. If any underlying message to fans is to be gleaned from this interpretation, it’s certainly not one of deference, ignorance or “talk to the hand, because we’re going to systematically ruin Sonic”. Maybe for Sonic’s 20th anniversary, Sega will learn from the mistakes of the past few years and make a decent game that doesnt have over 9000 glitches or bad gameplay. “Man, you guys will just complain about anything won’t you?” Sonic and the Black Knight (ソニックと暗黒の騎士 Sonikku to Ankoku no Kishi?) “My point is that there’s no reason in arguing about how ‘Sonic should be’ in terms of premise, story and design. Also, Quality > Quantity. Wow, Svend! That can be taken as the entire reason for an argument – the refusal to see through another’s eyes. And many clasic fans likely won’t see it as positive since any classic fan with a brain can see where the real issues lie. What happened to you guys? Sonic The Hedgehog The movie - Part 2 You mean aside from the gameplay and actual game quality, the ESSENTIALS for a damn videogame, everything is just hunky dory? Sonic himself is also lame these days.[/i]. Sonic and the Black Knight Review The Sonic series on the next generation consoles really has not hit off, to say the least. *shrugs* To each their own. john588, that’s fine if you think it’s all about gameplay. It’s funny- I’ve always considered Shadow the Hedgehog of being Sonic Team’s way of telling the classic fans to put the past behind them and accept the present in the same way Shadow did. the fact only gameplay lacks is right, now we have finaly easter eggs (like dreamcast in unleashed or the megadrive in chonicles Loves talking about Sonic the Hedgehog in his spare time. 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